Ruby on Rails

Alright. Here's one roadblock.
So what I understand w/BDD is that I should write all these tests,
watch them fail, and then code to make the tests pass. But the error
messages I get from running tests don't provide as much insight as
doing "rails server" and then seeing whatever error comes up... I
don't understand how people do this.

On Dec 25, 10:05 pm, Marnen Laibow-Koser <li...@ruby-forum.com> wrote:
> daze wrote in post #970685:
> [...]
>
>
>
> > With regard to the idea about testing behavior alone:
>
> > That makes a lot of sense.  A lot.  My question, however, is about how
> > there must be a line to draw.  If you were to test that the view has
> > the content you want, wouldn't you HAVE to be testing implementation
> > to an extent, as your view contains tags like e.g. <div class='span-5'
> > id='main'>, and you'd be testing for e.g. a div with id 'main'?
>
> Yes.  That's not implementation in the sense that the user actually
> *sees* it.
>
> >  It's
> > just not clear to me how...
>
> What part isn't clear?
>
>
>
> >> (...) You should ideally be able
> >> to change
> >> your whole implementation and still have all your tests pass.
>
> > Could you elaborate, maybe?
>
> What do you need elaborated?
>
> > Also, as I'm just getting started
> > testing, I guess it's good to know now:  Is it okay to use Shoulda and
> > factory_girl_rails to handle all my testing?  Or is rspec / cucumber
> > absolutely necessary? (I don't feel like changing .... but I guess I
> > need to know)
>
> Use RSpec (or Shoulda) to test your models.  Use Cucumber to test
> user-facing behavior (don't bother with controller specs).  Use Factory
> Girl everywhere (Pickle helps it talk to Cucumber).
>
> Best,
> -- 
> Marnen Laibow-Koserhttp://www.marnen.org
> mar...@marnen.org
>
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